Wow, nice list. I survived the Christian fundamentalist world - Baptist News The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. 21. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. 12. Neither should control the other. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. I had my part. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. 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You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. Romans 5:8 We will never attain that on this side. Hey there. Constitution and We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Many of these, yes are extreme, be we also need to not be compromising in some areas. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. No one is "born into the church." IFB Singles Or preferring the KJV? This is very good. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. Well I am a little confused. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. Your happy mega churches do too. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. Thats sweet. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Then you have churches with no standards . I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. 2. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Dress Standards For Christians (Pastor Tim If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. 5 Hypocrite! [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. God works in mysterious ways. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. Thanks. Care to elaborate, provide examples? All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. 38. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. 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If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. 28. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. 16. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. Plus they pray to the saints. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! 2 Timothy 3:16-17 They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. If you want a discussion ask for one. 4,2, and 7 month old. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. Does he always heal people no. Others are very much unfair criticism. 11. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve 50. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Hypocrites! You got me I am an IFB college grad. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. 3. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. I dare say probably not. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Doctrinal Statement - independentbaptist.church No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. I praise the lord for that because if I sin I dont have to announce it to anyone but my Heavenly Father and he is faithful and just to forgive me. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! . N/A Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. Scofield Bible!!!! The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. 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If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. As far as tithing is concerned, the people who do tithe, it should be because they tithe because they want to. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. I have read other versions of the Bible. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16.