The last photo of Kris on the rocks doesnt appear to have any evidentiary value to me. Much information is second hand. There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. The blue item could be anything, but shows someone has been there before. Europe is the world . The camera could have malfunctioned but this seem highly unlikely. Please support us we cant do it without you. Lisanne's bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally - but Kris' bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in her death. Article about our trip plans: Research Team Update Support Us, Campaign Link: Mapping The Jungle Trails Of Panama. Two days pass. Perplexing to say the least. Jalisco prosecutors said that three people still seem to be missing after a gang kidnapped a group of tourists at the Pacific resort of Puerto Vallarta earlier this month. I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. Like you would get from being hit. Or locals found the bodies and stole the bag and items. I just would like to know if you see that as well? I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. I think we are all seeing things that arent there. Youtube channel backpackercoach or backpackingcoach i think, has a video called is it a cave? where he shows a section of trail that looks much like that. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. However there appear to be yellowish/beige shadows and it looks like a sandstone cliff. Dyatlov Pass Tourists Go Missing While Visiting Area of - Newsweek Someone with darkish skin. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. Cheers. Do you have any idea how many people of all ages go missing here every single day. Lisanne believes her dead. Bringing justice to assailants that harm tourists is very often not a top priority, and it shows through the number of botched investigations. I lean towards the third-party theory although I recognize the conflicting aspects of that theory. Interesting that you. I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? Unfortunately the resolution is not high enough to identify any specific shapes, although it appears to contain the colors white and red. Nothing can explain the bones, the cut foot, their underwear in one of the backpacks. I would expect especially on the first day for total panic to occur and multiple attempts to be made until a decision was made to save battery strength. Further to my earlier reply of a few minutes ago, I think the dying from exposure angle is only possible if we consider that either the girls abandoned the rucksack for some reason or it was discovered after their passing. So easily noticeable. Even the cheap pair of sunglasses are in perfect condition. They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. Is there somebody behind the insignia? Hi Chris, i uploaded the photo to show what i see. Cheers. I suspect the timestamps on some images are incorrect. Especially the one where Kris is holding a water bottle 30-40ft from the photo-taker. You mention the research team. Rights of initiation? There is much speculation about the night time fotos made using the Cannon. Brought to trial and prosecuted successfully: highly unlikely, less than 1%. But during my time spending a year there in 2015 (at the time Id not heard of this case), I had asked around about legends within the jungle and there is in fact legends from tribes who never interacted and are thousands of miles apart which regress of some THING that comes from the sky or trees that is not visible to humans but devours then to the bone. For the most part, foreigners are just caught in the middle. Like the taxidriver and the two local boys. What Is the Bermuda Triangle, and Do Pilots Really Avoid It? - Travel Their backpack contents and electronics were stolen to be sold later but handed back to stop the search and not be incriminated. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. How come nobody ever says anything about the other girls bones and and what she was doing while these pictures were being taken of Chris that was way ahead of her ? Yup, I toot checked and her video came only after this post. Regarding the existing photos its a big mess. Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. Both were never seen again, The Sun reports. I have watched so much about this case and this is the first time I have heard that the parents withheld photos. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. The attacker could have taken the photos to confuse the authorities and the public. Let me know about your opinion heres the link https://youtu.be/4wqUCG5bxns loads of greetings Mel. One showed Kremers with what looked like concern on her face,dated around the time of the emergency calls. However, I cannot say for certain because I do not know why the owner would fabricate this part of the story. A priest of sorts. Who said there werent any scratches on the bones? Clearly the trash on the rocks indicates it had active people. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. If Kris were injured and they couldnt use the phone, then why didnt Lisanne go get help? Were the photos altered in any way or is this a presumption? I dont think so. We have no way of knowing if somebody tried to unlock the phone but failed. Tony and Debra Velleman are pictured in an undated image. I would also like to know the time that photo was taken that day. Kriss bones had unnatural traces of phosphorus. It would be scarey.they could got attack by animal. The back of the shirt was soiled (you interpret). Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Then uses the flash to take many photos of the area, so she can return for Kris after finding help. https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html. However, one particular group of indigenous people were discovered (updated, old link) in January 2020 to be capturing people, torturing them and offering them as human sacrifices. Why not just kill them and leave it be? Hi Justin, Well done the image is really sharp now. I have no idea. So many clues in all these pictures. That is why the poor often resort to vigilantism. The dog ran away and they followed it into the woods to try to get it back? The police, the media attention, the suspicions on him. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women. is. Well-worn paths do not lead into a pit. The real question is wether or not there is a cave or dwelling behind her. The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. There are some walls of rock in an area which I think is called los Naranjos, not too far from the Pianista trail (relatively speaking) and is where people go climbing. Haha. I agree. There is something white on the object, which looks like a white piece of cloth. The plane was located with the help of Bruce's Legacy, as well as a local family whose boats were used in the mission, Lewitinn said. I think someone took them there. This link answers some of those questions: Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide). Obviously she did the first several times, but as the battery got lower, she likely got more conscious of the idea of conserving it. Might look harmless and untouched which is why she is standing so close but then she is either caught or trapped in a booby trap lol. The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. Its sad because Panama is a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. After cops searched the area where the backpack was found, they discovered Kris' clothes neatly folded along the edge of the river. Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. The ground is littered with leaves, twigs, and stones. I dont think there was actual foul play. Tourists Who Stay in Panama Long Term Now Have to Leave for a Minimum This is an interesting analysis, of this photos and the case in general. And I cannot fathom standing this way, hands behind the back and turned like that unless my hands were restricted behind my back. January 4, 2023. There is no question thats what it is. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. The final photo may have been eliminated after thought by the still remaining friend, as it may have been too traumatic for her. And more to the right of the insignia, is that water, an underground river maybe, there is like a light at the end. Why are both her hands behind her back? But others have suggested the chilling photos might have been taken by someone else after killing the girls. All Froon and Kremers photos were taking with phones and a camera from six years ago, probably jpeg, with all the associated algorithm issues, let alone we have no idea of the provenance of the photos we are all seeing, I doubt any of it is first generation copies straight from the devices, and every time we copy a photo we risk changing the data somewhat. The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. Its too cold to sleep at night, so they try to keep moving, until, in the darkness Kris falls down a ravine, hitting her head, and going into a coma. If you are sending an SOS message then they are received 24 hours a day. I think she is pointing, but at something else in another location. ?If they were attacked by people immidiately after this, how they took the photos?? Its interesting numerous people have contacted me anonymously and informed me that there are already multiple existing research teams that are investigating this case privately. There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. Is it possible that there is a building or some sort of structure behind the vegetation? Or maybe the girls were using the flash as light in the dark. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. Therefore, if Kris Kremers is normal and happy, as she appears to be in this photo (and in the other photos in the series), it means that things took a bad turn for them relatively soon after the photo above was taken. On April 1, the 21-year-old and 22-year-old went for a walk . Thanks and cheers. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. Thanks for your comment. Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. Jeroen Jumulet / Stringer / AFP / Getty Images, Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. Who knows if the girls really went for a walk that day by themselves? Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. 1 Long-Haul Tourism Market. Tourists Killed in Mexico Is it Safe to Go Now? - Yahoo! Visit Panama City Beach officials tell us in 2021, our tourism numbers were up 50% over pre-pandemic numbers. Hi Justin, great work with sharpening this image. U.S. Travel Ban: This Is How It's Costing Europe Billions Debra Ann Velleman's husband, Anthony Velleman, another passenger and the pilot were rescued by Panamanian search and rescue teams. Jump forward to Boquette now and you will see a photo of the girls in the street, and behind them is a shirtless fat white man. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Note the shadow across her face , covering her eyes: that is from her hand. This is an excellent analysis. The bones of Lisannes foot were fractured in an unusual way (from the top down). Full remains were found soon afterward and were assumed to be the two missing women. Tourism generates profits of approximately US$1,400 million annually. 2. Panamanian screwed up the investigation monumentally, but I would think that the private detectives followed up all the leads: after all, they were getting paid a lot of money for it. She also is DEFINITELY looking to the right of the person with the camera (presumably Lisanne). If thats what Im seeing, I have no doubt that it was murder and that this photo and several others have been manipulated. Sorry to send so many messages Chris, but as a policewoman I have never liked to give up on a case.. Hello Government corruption is the core of the problem. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Also, the other ones arent covered by man-made support structures. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. It belongs to the long green leaves we are seeing up there. You have a good eye! The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System reported that more than 600,000 people go missing in the US every year, but the majority are quickly . I must have been living in a cave and totally preoccupied with myself when this happened because I only stumbled across this via a Youtube video ( one of many) by Juan Perea Y Monsuw on Friday. As well as lots of other things It shows her right arm more clearly and it looks as though there is something square where you would expect her right elbow to be strange. She makes a last effort to wake her friend. Almost like some picture had been there and this posted over or just strange, almost satanic looking things. What is that clear brown glass-looking circle in the upper righthand corner? I could be wrong, but to me this looks like it could be a hunting device of sorts, like a pit/catch trap. That does not make sense if they were genuine. However, if Continuous mode was in use then even if 509 was deleted, the next image will be 510. The government intentionally did not investigate key pieces of information: fingerprints, phone records, locals in the area, other forms of DNA. Like a trap net or something. I am very familiar with the Koude Kas posts. She cant be shielding her eyes from the sun, as no shadow is falling over her eyes. For a time, manysuspected Froon and Kremers never got lost on the mountain, but wereinstead victims of a crime in town; this later proved false. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. She turned around and they snapped a photo. From 508 onward. Sadly however, the Beaumont children are just three of around 2,000 long-term missing people in Australia. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. It does not make sense to me. The remains of both women were found soon after that. Gary, great work on noticing things in such detail. Hi Mohaiminul, you mention some good questions. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. Im just pointing out some peculiar things worth noting. It took us quite some time to get there.". In 2020 the number of international visitors to Australia dropped to 6.7 million due . I created this graphic and highlighted the unusual items that seemed peculiar to me: In this photo of what looks like a cave or overgrown ravine, there are numerous possible items that suggest this place had been visited by other people. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. If so then those could tell some information. There is an illustration drawn on Kriss back in the hair photo. If I remember correctly half of a pelvic bone was found that belong to the other girl so I think we should give the other girl some thought. Hi Chris..I just came across this story yesterday and it was really sad and disturbingI hope the truth comes out too. I speculate about potential reasons. He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. From January to October, 86 Navajo men and women have gone missing nationwide, said Meskee Yanabah Yatsayte, a missing-persons advocate for . Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. According to one web sleuth, the snaps taken on the camera a week after the girls vanished might have been taken with the flash to light up the path as they stumbled through the dark jungle. Your email address will not be published. Can anybody see that? She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? In reality, foreigners are usually not the target of gangs. What we do know is for 5 days after they disappeared, her phone was checked about a dozen times. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? Apparently it would also have been easy to alter the time stamps on the photos. Most of the bones were never found. This figure has increased rapidly since the millionth tourist . OK I see the conspiracy theorists saying someone else had their phones but who else would know to try 112 which is the common emergency number for EU countries? In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. I have spent a lifetime walking in the forest near my home and I dont see the odd things that people see. I am not an investigator but I find it very strange that there were no witnesses found either tourists or locals on the trail. He has some resources at his disposal. I do believe that this appears to be some sort of structure though, it does seem like some vines / branches have been woven together to form some sort of hut and even the AI enhancement would not make the blue appear on the floor so distinctly, the color and look almost reminds me of a scrap of denim like material? There are flaws in the manipulations, such as the photo timeline, the inconsistent resolutions, the missing photo (or video), the red lines on the shirt, incorrect shadow positioning, etc. I also live in a third-world country about which it was said that investigations were shut down, or botched, to protect the tourist industry. I can assure you that is nonsense. The phones remained active for nearly 10days after the pair went missing. Is there a particular name, symbol or color associated with the gang? First calls at 16:39 then nothing again for 14 hours? I know AMAZING explanition it is sad they are dead but my friend said they might be faking and Lisanne froon and kris kremer ate people to fake their bones but I think my friend is wrong. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? For the next four days they travel. 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